Sinister Nature?

[Mister_Six]

So, since the beginning of various Satanic movements including those that try to detract from LaVey, and those that try to detract from this enigmatic Nazi called "Anton Long", we have had major infighting. I suppose you could call Buddhists unenlightened, but we forget that they have thousands of years of history, practice, knowledge, and understanding on Life, but who would you be deluding but yourselves? The whole premise of Buddhism is to"reduce suffering in your life and those around you." They teach an understanding of suffering that includes all living animals. This does not mean a Buddhist does not fight, but this does not mean he engages either. To be able to stand the people around you starts with introspection and the ability to "Live and let live." Those of you without a regional scope on various world religions I suggest you research first before you buy into the first aggressive piece of shit you read.

I will be the first to admit that I was attracted to Satanism via Aggression, and the "sisnister" side of Satanism, first to Traditional, then to LaVeyan Satanism. I was a LaVeyan criminal for a period of time, which is in direct contradiction to the mission statement on their home page, so I had to reconsider my direction in life and realized that I was a "Bad Satanist" according to someone elses standards just because I made a few illegal mistakes in my life. All of these pieces of shit parading themselves around as Satanists disgusted me from all of their bull headed BS, and honestly this is the only place I've found that has a strong peer base of smart people.

I spent my whole Juvenile life fighting, the past 2 years trying to become someone to look up to, the 2 years before that were spent in a prison cell, and then the 4 years previous to that were spent in jail cells, then the rest of my adult life was spent in the underground drug scene starting at about 16. I already initiated myself into enlightenment short of the solitary wilderness thing that I read about. Self sufficiency in the woods for a long time sounds like fun!

It is only "nature" if you allow it to be, you can slap any kind of title on your feeling base part of your brain, the reptilian reasoning process, and if you like you can dress it up any way you would like. It still does nothing to change the fact that you are capable of reasoning on a far greater level. Instinct/Impulse/Irrationality/Etc... you can call it whatever, but you know deep down somewhere inside that certain things are right and certain things are wrong. Causing suffering on someone else is wrong and there is no need to do so.

Sinister isn't even a part of my vocabulary because I know right from wrong, necessary from unnecessary, and true from false. But sure, for the sake of being irrational lets just pretend we're dark and mysterious so people think we're interesting. If you want to live in a fantasy world where you are somehow more superior than those around you because you're willing to deceive them for your benefit I say go for it, but I see this for what it is. Fantasy.

There is nothing more fundamental than True Love.

[Aye Maung]

I have a craving for some samusas now and some jasmine tea. Yes, some jasmine tea will do just fine.

[Anthropomorphic Hyperborea]

Yeah tea sounds really good right now, and it's been a while since I had some jasmine tea.

[SugaCubez 352]

"My rudimentary understanding of Buddhism[...]."
- Yes, you do have a primitive understanding of Buddhism. I'm glad you have it in you to admit that. It is the first step in the process of Self Awakening, when you gradually grow to realize that you actually have a "rudimentary" understanding on just about everything and your own "self" :) Kudos!

"If living your sinister way causes suffering then you are no longer a true practitioner of Buddhism."
- Let me quote the Buddha AGAIN a second time, "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense (Buddha)." According to my own line of reasoning, and my own common sense "my sinister way" does not cause ME any suffering. It is just me saying to the State and or the "Law" that, "It takes a sinister individual to know another. You can use your predatorial sinister nature to oppress and subjugate those mundanes, slaughter them, take their things from them; but you ain't doing it to me, because I can do the same. Because I can fight fire with fire. I can slaughter people too, and if I can't I can manipulate others to do it for me. I can take other people things away to, your possessions, your homes, your status, your life, your family, your government, and your State. And if I can't takes those things away from you, I can side with and or manipulate those who can."

"While you may understand Buddhism, you missed an extremely fundamental point. Tyrants, Dictators, and all types of people that were material driven have caused suffering on it's people and you would call this desire to cause suffering a "sinister" instinct, it is a desire to be a dick."
- I agree. I admire such people. People who run your life and are dicks to you. Which you have no power against but to conform. This is the fundamental difference between you- a mundane; and the ONA or some person sinister in nature. We don't deal with such things. Just because a predator is a killer, does not mean lions run amok aimlessly slaughtering everything in its path. There is a time and season for such things, and with such times, there is always a meaningful -WYRDFUL- target.

"If you haven't seen how corporate america sucks, fucks, and slanders its way to the top then I don't know what other examples to show you."
- Oh I've seen it. Which is why I chose to not conform to it and occationally make and "earn" my money in "different" ways, if you will. Which is why you don't or won't here me complain much about Corporate America. Because, I've solved that problem in my own life, and most of my friends have too. You are the one complaining. You are the one conforming to Corporate America, working as a slave for it. As you will for the rest of your natural life, because you don't have it into to Liberate yourself. You just take it like a punk and complain.

"We all have a right to co-exist as long as we demonstrate the ability to be kind and mindful of those around us, ,"
- I agree, but the essential difference between you- a mundane, and a person sinister in nature is that if those people "co-existing" around you treat you bad, are dicks to you, enslave you into their companies, you just take it like a punk and bitch about it. The sinister folk are the ones that will deal with it in action and deed you see. If your "co-existence" encroaches or asserts itself into my life in any way, your getting your ass kick.

"this concept, like many I have discussed on this forum, have been over-looked and missed many times over all in the name of "Sinister Role-Play". It sounds like Anton Long played one too many RPG's."
- You don't know or understand, or come close to knowing who "Anton Long" is; nor do you know him personally. What you do know about him are written things floating around cyberspace. Things which you have read, and misunderstood, or misinterpreted due to lack of comprehension. Many of those things out their about "Anton Long" and or David Myatt are intentionally misleading and misinformational, put out there by ONA initiates themselves like Kayla, Chloe, and the Others, as a "test" to keep people like, you who can't see or who lack the esoteric ability to see thru the smoke and mirrors, out of the ONA. Its "girly-men" like you, who are too afraid to do sinister things or take their lives into their own hands, that allow a religion or state or corporation to fuck you up the ass that we don't want in our ranks you see. You are a "literalist" who is dependent on the written word. You lack the ability to extract insight and esoteric knowledge out of Life. You are incapable of living your own life. These are the kinds of people we don't want, the useless kind. The ONA being sinister, and your abhorrence of sinister nature works out in the end just fine you see.

"Do you wanna know what the meaning of life is?"
- Well shit! You know how many lifetimes I have had to reincarnate to find some Swami that could tell me the answer to that question!? You know the meaning of life too!!? My God, you're like a swiss army knife of knowitall everything aren't you :). Of all the places to find that know it all swami! In MySatan none the less!

"To live and let live, while not hurting anyone in the process."
- Yes, and I'm sure those tyrants and dictators just follow this one too. Show me one human who purely "lives and lets live" by being an island and not in anyways interfering in other people lives. By that I also mean by not asserting their worldviews, opinions, egos, and ideologies on other as well. Take a good look at yourself Six and realize those words you speak are empty because your many posts in here speaks a different story, doesn't it? You exert yourself, your ego, your opinions, your "I'm Right And Your Stupid", onto others don't you.

"Anything beyond this ideal, you define for yourself."
- And I hold onto that Nature given power and privilege to define my own words, my own life, my own "reality." Thank you.

"Being sinister is just reveling in the fact that you're a dick."
- Just like you are a dick to everyone in here who does not shine with True Initelligence in all it's multifaceted glory like you do doesn't it. Do you actually consider calling people idiots and stupid bitches?

"It's an excuse to not consider other people's feelings."
- Do I need to respond to this one? Some Greek person once said, "Man, Know Thyself." Which I repeat to you in my own words, "Man, go take a look in the mirror, and looks whose talking dude; or read thru your own posts and reactions to others in here."

Don't misunderstand me Six. You're not a bad guy. I enjoy talking and debating with you. It's honestly stimulating. Keep it coming.

@Revan:

Thanks Revanchist :) at least your ego isn't in the way like "somebody's" for you to think and discern things for yourself. And you can actually be open enough to appreciate things about other people and organizations (such as ONA) no matter how controversial they are.

[Mister_Six]

AHHHH!!!! LOL! Where to start :P

I know a bunch of shit, I really do, but to answer/retaliate to these responses would take some understanding on both of our parts. I already understand your perspective, you however are too bull headed to understand these much more dynamic concepts. I AM AN EX CON!!!!! LOL! Seriously, do you remember me talking about this before? I was an ex-con satanist. I have 666 tattooed on my chest and a big ass pentagram on my right forearm! If anyone knows about illegal/illicit activities/life-styles and a sinister approach to life, it would be me. And if anyone were to understand the emancipation/self-sufficiency/enlightenment concept it would also be me. I may not understand completely but I'm sure I have a pretty good idea.

My goal is not to persuade you, because life will do that for me anyways, but I am here as a responsible, law-abiding American to not tolerate your perspective because it's wrong. I will not propagate a cycle of fallacy. I will not say it's okay to do or think a way that is counterproductive to our species. It is my job as a person of character to NOT agree with everything you say, because there are right ways to do things, and wrong ways to do things. When I looked up the definition of "right", I found it was based in morals. How is an amoral person, such as yourself, even in the slightest bit capable of understanding the various things I've been talking about? Do you realize how crazy this sounds? I will say it's also fair, in a way, to say that I'm an not able to be receptive enough to understand yours, except the fact that I've already been there. Definitely not to the extent of extreme seclusion that is alluded to in your ONA texts. Fucking run on paragraphs! LOL

Moral Absolutes are a funny thing, but pretty simple. Don't kill people that don't deserve it. Don't steal shit that doesn't belong to you. Treat people with kindness and be fair. Don't eye fuck your neighbors wife. Do things to help out the people around you, etc... There are many more specifics than just these instances, but these things combined, along with many others, are the foundation of the moral absolutes. But ya know what? To most rational people these are just morsels of Ethical Human Conduct, and to my friend base "Common Sense". The problems with you girls is you're young, rebellious, impressionable, easily mislead, you're amoral, inexperienced, and here's the kicker....mainly street smart. I will give you girls the credit you deserve and that is you're also relatively intelligent, but one cannot be sacrificed in place of the other. You have to be a healthy mix of both street and book smarts.

I am also just as flawed as you are. I'm a social retard when it comes down to it. I know how to kick it with felons, but when it comes to women I'm like a turtle kicked upside down on it's shell. If I'm talking to the right woman I open up pretty well and am a smooth fluid talker, but I've been celibate for the past 4 years and have dated maybe like 3 times in that period. So yeah, I'm just as fucked up as the next person is, but the point of my steady life is to not push that off onto other people and take accountability for my actions.

When you talk to me you will see that I'm too fucking smart for my own good, and I treat people fair. I don't care who you are, friend or not, if you're being an idiot and it directly affects me, you're damn right I will let you know about it. It is my job to make sure people don't make the same mistakes I did because there is a conscious choice to correct your behavior. The day you become so complacent in your own mental evolution, is the day you die, either figuratively or literally. The goal is to never stop becoming better. Out of anyone you should understand this.

We're missing each other right at the middle ground. Your supposed "natural" reaction, which is a psychological "knee jerk" is to go left when everyone is going right, which is not conducive to the way the world works as opposed to how it falls apart and is ran by drug dealing warlords. You're allowed your opinions, you're allowed to think the way you wish, but when it puts someone else in a fucked up position is where you start falling short of the mark. Why is such a small percentage of the world LHP oriented? Did you ever wonder that? How easy it is to get along instead of making life far more difficult than it has to be just for the sake of seeming important to idiots? *cues ooooh's and ahhhhh's from the crowd.

Your antics of false superiority, and mystical hooplah are not impressive to me. Your actions to be kind to those around you impress me. I judge people based on decency, not how many old women they robbed to afford their gaudy jewelry.

An Amoral person cannot understand a Moral individual. It is not possible, and for that I feel bad for you. Understanding is Application.

[Mister_Six]

Live and let live is synonymous with the Buddhist principle of the reduction of suffering in others lives. Also LaVey said that doubt and skepticism is the key component to Satanism and to question all things. Very similar to what the Buddha said. All world religions are similar in sometimes minuscule ways to even grander concepts.

[NARCISSUS]

It has nothing to do with a superficial understanding of satanism, but in essence they both deal with self enlightenment and seeing the world that mundanes live in created by the hubris is maya/eidolon...illusion.

[Hunniedust]

Wow Six, give me a break why do you feel you need to asert the you are an ex con. When I first met you on the chat, you told me you were a xian / Satanist, then jus a few nights ago you were complaining that you wished you did not have the tattoo's because it was not going well with women in the real world an you were no longer a Satanist. NO Satanist should have to prove anything an at the same time NO Satanist should expect another to explain themselves.

You throw your having 666 a pentagram an so on tattooed on you like it is supposed to mean something. I would be curious what you know of these symbols. Have you really done a study on the #666? Why do you feel the need to make people understand you are an "ex con" that seems kind of silly to me, what does it prove an who cares? Jus because you have been in the hall as a kid an have been around the criminal minded an spent 2 whole years in prison, that does not mean shit.To me it sounds like you are always trying to prove something. That does not sound smart to me. You are not the only one, there are many xians that have lived the same. Doing/selling drugs or being a thug does not make you sinister, nor a Satanist. A Satanist friend I have loves to say "If you want to find jesus go to jail/prison.'' No offence intended but you sound to me like you found jesus an have a testamony to share. When I think of a sinister person I think of a very inteligent, witty person.

In my oppinion morals are like a disease of weakness that came about as xianity took over. I think xianity with thier morals have stolen from mankind the right to live as a natural being. I think one of the things that impressed me most on coming to satanism was how studious the young people were. To have an be so knowledgeable in something of thier choice an not as with xianty brainwashed. I only profess to have a desire to learn and I welcome the insight of others. Anyway I have to jus send this reply, or it will not get sent.

[NessaOf352]

Ooh... Thank you Hunny!

Hunny brought up some very good points. Why does Six feel a need to prove himself to people in every post he makes? Who really cares about his "ex-con" status? More importantly:

Does Mr.6 actually know the meaning and symbolism behind that 666 he inked on himself and that Baphomet?

He seems to have literally worn those as literal badges at one time. Just like he now wears his "Morals," and "ex-con" state like some badge which is supposed to prove something?

Its not hard hard for a girl to feel that there is a major issue of insecurity going on deep inside Mr.6.

[Lucifurry:352]

"A Satanist friend I have loves to say "If you want to find jesus go to jail/prison.'' No offence intended but you sound to me like you found jesus an have a testamony to share. When I think of a sinister person I think of a very inteligent, witty person."

I was thinking almost the same thing about him! I was gunna say that 6's post reminds me of those testimonials I always here being given in a Mormon ward I was going to (Insight Role).

[Mister_Six]

I'm not gonna even dignify you with a response. How does it feel to have jumped on the bandwagon? You have shown that you do not possess the ability to understand my perspective. And don't put words in my mouth, there are numerous threads where I have explained what I am. And I sure as shit am not xian. Some of my morals may be, but i have already explained that morals are not exclusive to any one world religion. You should read the ten commandments then read the 11 satanic laws of the earth. Gosh! How similar!

[Mister_Six]

I know plenty about my symbolism. What do you want to know? Ask and ye shall receive :)

[SugaCubez 352]

This is where me and the Buddha disagrees :) Or I shouldn't be so misleading as to say "Buddha" because "he" never really existed as a person. Althoe what may be considered "primordial Buddhism" or the various memes which constructs the memeplex of "Buddhism" came into being around 500BC; it was not until circa 320BC that the first (school of) Buddhism was actually structured and codified into a real system. That first, and the oldest school being Theravada. Of course, those Arhats who came together to codify Theravada were normal people; and all people are not infallible in though or action.

I disagree with Samudaya entirely. And as Buddha states, I have every right to disagree, because Samudaya does not make any sense to my reasoning and common sense.

Like you say, Samudaya states that "Desire" is the first or the Alpha and Omega of Dukkha/Suffering.

I disagree with this because desire or emotion happened only after Mind. What I mean is, unless you first entertain some kind of thought in your mind; you will not have a desire or intent.

For example: the desire for Buddhists to escape the cycle of birth and death is directly born from their BELIEF that such a cycle even exists, which I do not believe in myself.

Desire is a causal manifestation of Mind/Thought (the first spoke on the esoteric Wheel). To say that desire is THE cause of suffering is to say that the symptoms of a sickness is the CAUSE of the sickness. They are two different things. Getting rid of desire does not get rid of the cause of that desire.

I'll illustrate this: If a friend of mine were to get evicted from his apartment because he cannot pay rent. he cannot pay rent because he is reckless with his spending. It can be said that this person's desire to spend money caused him and his family to suffer the risk of being homeless.

As a friend, I can have compassion for him and loan him rent money (charity). But will this act of compassion and charity actually fix or destroy the cause of that suffering?

It is not his desire to spend that is the cause. It is a number of incorrect THINKINGS. The Belief that working the job he has is stable. The Belief in limitations in that all he is capable is working that job for that fixed amount of income. The belief that he is not capable of being more than he can be, that he is not worth more. Such beliefs places a powerful limit on what he can achieve in life. His belief in materialism and want of material things is only secondary.

I can continue to pay this persons rent and tell him that materialism is "bad" all I want. But will that change who he is inside - how he THINKS, Views himself and Perceives what he is capable of.

If I knew that his thinking and mental self imposed limits were the cause, and I genuinely cared for him and his FUTURE. I would let him go homeless so he can learn a valuable lesson, then give him some hard love and make him go back to school so he can push the fetters of that limit he has placed on himself to work for a new higher paying career that pays more. That solves the problem. You are what you Think. Does the act of being charitable to poor people, fix the cause of their poverty? It doesn't. They did not desire to be poor. It is their wrong thinking and wrong belief that manifested into the experience of poverty. Desire is not the Original factor.

Or those Sudras (Untouchables). It ridiculous to say that their desire and karma in a past life made them Sudras and therefore it is punishment for them to be dark skinned and subservient to the white Brahmins. That their suffering is punishment. It is the belief these Sudras buy into that limits them and causes that suffering. The belief in the bullshit that they are inferior perpetuates that suffering, not desire.