Sinister Nature?

[Mister_Six]

So, since the beginning of various Satanic movements including those that try to detract from LaVey, and those that try to detract from this enigmatic Nazi called "Anton Long", we have had major infighting. I suppose you could call Buddhists unenlightened, but we forget that they have thousands of years of history, practice, knowledge, and understanding on Life, but who would you be deluding but yourselves? The whole premise of Buddhism is to"reduce suffering in your life and those around you." They teach an understanding of suffering that includes all living animals. This does not mean a Buddhist does not fight, but this does not mean he engages either. To be able to stand the people around you starts with introspection and the ability to "Live and let live." Those of you without a regional scope on various world religions I suggest you research first before you buy into the first aggressive piece of shit you read.

I will be the first to admit that I was attracted to Satanism via Aggression, and the "sisnister" side of Satanism, first to Traditional, then to LaVeyan Satanism. I was a LaVeyan criminal for a period of time, which is in direct contradiction to the mission statement on their home page, so I had to reconsider my direction in life and realized that I was a "Bad Satanist" according to someone elses standards just because I made a few illegal mistakes in my life. All of these pieces of shit parading themselves around as Satanists disgusted me from all of their bull headed BS, and honestly this is the only place I've found that has a strong peer base of smart people.

I spent my whole Juvenile life fighting, the past 2 years trying to become someone to look up to, the 2 years before that were spent in a prison cell, and then the 4 years previous to that were spent in jail cells, then the rest of my adult life was spent in the underground drug scene starting at about 16. I already initiated myself into enlightenment short of the solitary wilderness thing that I read about. Self sufficiency in the woods for a long time sounds like fun!

It is only "nature" if you allow it to be, you can slap any kind of title on your feeling base part of your brain, the reptilian reasoning process, and if you like you can dress it up any way you would like. It still does nothing to change the fact that you are capable of reasoning on a far greater level. Instinct/Impulse/Irrationality/Etc... you can call it whatever, but you know deep down somewhere inside that certain things are right and certain things are wrong. Causing suffering on someone else is wrong and there is no need to do so.

Sinister isn't even a part of my vocabulary because I know right from wrong, necessary from unnecessary, and true from false. But sure, for the sake of being irrational lets just pretend we're dark and mysterious so people think we're interesting. If you want to live in a fantasy world where you are somehow more superior than those around you because you're willing to deceive them for your benefit I say go for it, but I see this for what it is. Fantasy.

There is nothing more fundamental than True Love.

[Aye Maung]

Deceiving people to one's benefit is not fantasy, but a very common method of capitalism employed today. Simply look at the advertisements, statistics, speeches, and etc.You will see that the masses are lead like cattle. Ironically, none of the herders wear black clothes nor baphomets, but business suits and priest robes.

[Mister_Six]

doesn't make it okay

[SugaCubez 352]

Just a note to casual readers, since reasoning with "someone" either so full of himself or in a deep state of denial won't work. Six is incoherently rambling up there about the "Sinister Nature" of the Order of Nine Angle and or the "Sinister Nature" of it's initiates.

Six's display of superficial knowledge on Buddhism is an example of a mental disorder or "syndrome" Homo Hubris extensively suffers from called the "Taco Bell" or "Orange Chicken" Syndrome. This is when the White Man goes to eat at a Taco Bell and actually thinks the shit they sell to him is a real Mexican Taco; or that the Orange Chicken he is eating is food people in China actually consume. or are even remotely familiar with.

Homo Hubris; due to their Hubris (one could say, because they are so into their Self-less egos); who are mentally deficiant and suffer from this mentally debilitating syndrome will often subconsciously assert or exert their own Whitey Hubris weltanschauung; i.e.: their distorted Hubris apprehension of other peoples ancient Numinous traditions and cultures; as being more authoritative, pure, academic, scholastic, and logical than the real ethnic thing. A classic example of this mental disorder is the White Hubris Tom Cruise portraying some white guy who seems to know more about samurai culture then the Japs.

Just in case there are casual readers who may be interested in Buddhism, and how a genuine Buddhism differs from Hubris apprehended Buddhism which Six is regurgitating. I will try to quickly give a quick over view, being that I am Asian, was raised, and still am a Theravada "Buddhist."

First, one must ask where Six gets his information on Buddhism from; A) a dead source, such as a wikipedia article or a book written by some fellow white hubris (aka a Middle Man); or B) a living source, which is the direct living culture and people "native" to Buddhism.

Just as with what we commonly know as "Satanism," you cannot fully understand Buddhism when you remove it out of its native space-time contexual matrix. I'm not talking about the movie the Matrix. A matrix in paleontology is the dirt or substance and accompanying artifacts which surrounds or envelops a dinosaur bone. When you extrcate that dinosaure bone out of its native matrix WITHOUT studying that matrix IN CONJUNCTION to the dinosaur bone; you lose 90% of the information and insights once connected to that bone.

It's just like you cannot take "Satanism" out of its own Christian-1960's space-time matrix. Otherwise the meme "satan" won't even make any sense. It's when we consider "satanism" in context to its native matrix that we know that early Satanism was a REACTION of Logos to the Mythos of Christianity on the part of a small subgroup of people who desired to emancipate themselves mentally from such a social continuum of Mythos.

Buddhism is no different. It leads one into confusion and misunderstanding when you apprehend (grasp, capture, behold) Buddhism as a stand alone "religion" not aware of its native space-time matrix: India-500BC.

In 500BC, India experience its Age of Enlightenment as a reactionary manifestation of so many years of Hindu-Brahmin rule. In the same sense that England and Europe went thru an Age of Enlightenment out of a reaction to the Dark Ages of Christian rule.

During India's age of enlightenment new reactionary philosophies and ontologies were born, such as "Jainism," and primodial Buddhism.

Most of these new reactionary measure posits that the Individual by himself, thru his own efforts can gain Enlightenment and or escape the cycle of rebirth and death by themselves without the need of hindu gods, Brahmins (there priests), and hindu rites. In essence these new philosophies were challenging Hinduism. In the same sense that such things as Humanism and Deism were born in England's and Europe's age of enlightenment out right challenged Christian dogma and Christian theology/ontology/weltanschauung. All this of course amounts to blasphemy and pure heresy. Which is why Hinduism and it's Hindu kings for many hundreds of years slaughtered Buddhists, trying to crush this heresy from threatening its reign and dominion over the mundanes of India. This is why Buddhism is a minority "religion" in its own native country/countries.

The Buddha actually goes to explain to his Disciples that following Hindu Gods is really stupid because Hindu Gods make terrible role models, because they have no sense of morals.

Westerners who are born in the psychological matrix of Christianity who are brought up believing that a religion is a set of moral teachings that a religious leader (Jesus) spent 3 years teaching; will apprehend something like Buddhism in the same light. They will "see" Buddhism with Christian eyes and interpret Buddhism as a religion or philosophy (at best) which teaches moral principles which some religious leader named Buddha taught; and therefore such moral teachings is what makes the Buddha a religious leader followed by many heathens (non-Christians). This, has nothing to do with what Buddhism actually is and why Siddhartha Gautama Muni-Sakya was called "The Buddha" or The Enlightened. Codes of moral conduct don't make anyone remotely enlightened. If so, your common variety girl scout is a Buddha.

What made Gautama the "Buddha" was that he dis-covered; that is UN-COVERED; the "Truth." Buddh meaning "Awake" or "Awakened" from "Bodh" or "Bodhi" meaning "that which is honest, or is true."

The ultimate Truth the Buddha uncovered was that Religion (Hinduism as he knew it) is the main cause of human suffering. The belief in gods and the following of such gods as role models. The deification of Brahmins and priests and the giving up of one's mind and life to such priests. Opportunistic Kings who used Hinduism and its moral laws to subjugate the common people. All these things contributed to Human Suffering.

The Buddha's solution was first to achieve his own emancipation and enlightenment, then he provided a means and way whereby everyone else can, as he did, emancipate themselves and achieve their own enlightenment. Without religion/Hinduism. This doctrine is called "Sama Sambuddhi" (literally Self, Self-Awakening) which means "Awakening or becoming Enlightened by one's own Self, or one's own efforts."

This defiant attitude Buddha had toward the established religion of his time, and his blasphemous - heretical - teaches to depend on yourself for enlightenment rather than any other person or religion, is echoed by the Buddha as one of his greatest teachings, which most Westerners never learn or considers, which he constantly taught his Disciples:

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense." "No one saves us but ourselves. No one can and no one may. We ourselves must walk the path." - Buddha

The Buddha, actually teaches his own Disciples to question and challenge even his own words and teachings, because nothing is sacred, and nobody's words or opinions is infallible; not even his. To be a "Buddhist" does not mean to follow the or a Buddha. This contradicts the very fundamental essence of what Buddha taught. A "Buddhist" is a person who strives for Self Enlightenment/Awaken, i.e.: an understanding of the world and one Self via direct exposure to it (the world/Life); someone who questions everything and holds nothing infallible or sacred; a "Buddha-ist" is someone who follows nobody and no religion, and is on a Quest for Self Awakening.

Human Suffering or the ridding of suffering is only a secondary objective of "Buddhism." Everybody knows this aspect of "Buddhism." Most believe this is all Buddhism is, the concern of human suffering. Which is Logos/logic based on reductive simplification. You cannot reduce something down to bite sized simplistic terms an occidental mind can understand and assume that such simplification is the actual real thing in its totality and essence.

What causes human suffering? What is human suffering as the Buddha saw it? And HOW did he actually teach or hint at ridding such suffering?

The Buddha uses the Pali word "Dhukkha/Dhuga" most of the time when he refers to "Suffering." Sometimes when that word is translated into English it is rendered "Evil" also as well as "suffering. Dhuga is what Troubles you. It's an adjective which describes a state of mind or an emotional state. When you are a mother and your daughter is out past her kerfew and you Worry, and from that Worrying you can think of anything else, that is Dhuga. When the seasonal monsoons don't come and your crops fail, and your heart is seriously Troubled by fear and thoughts of starvation, that is Dhuga.

When the common people live their common lives toiling in misery working in the fields to support a King, that is Dhuga. When your mind is Troubled and you Worry over being treated like a subhuman Untouchable simply because of some silly "caste" you were born into, that is Dhuga. When you are Miserable because you know you have no real freedom or hope of a means to achieve and live a better life because of your caste, social rank, skin color, gender, that is Dhuga.

What causes human suffering in 500BC, is very different than what causes Human Suffering in 2009AD. When people really Suffered from fear of famine in India 500BC when the monsoons did not come, today a bum can buy 3 cheap tacos at Taco Bell to feed himself.

The Buddha taught that the "Anariya's" major source of Suffering was his own stupidity and ignorance. The word "Anariya" means the mundane or "worldling" literally the "ignoble." The world is the opposite of the word "Ariya/Aryan" meaning Noble, denoting someone "High" who stands above the world and not in it.

The esoteric Wheel of Karma, sometimes also called the Wheel of Dharma, is the symbol of the Anariya's cause of suffering and the Ariya's method of Ennobling himself. The eight spokes of the Wheel each denotes a step in the esoteric or tantric process of Mind becoming Experience called the Eight Fold Path:

"The mind is everything. What you think you become." "We are formed and molded by our thoughts." "We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think." - Buddha

1. (Right or wring) View/perception
2. (Right or wrong) Intention/Emotion
3. (Right or wrong) Speech
4. (Right of wrong) Action
5. (Right of wrong) Living/Livelihood
6. (Right or wrong) Effort
7. (Right or wrong) Mindfulness/awareness
8. (Right of wrong) Focus/Concentration

The Eight Noble PATHS implies steps or a process of steps taken to get from point A to point B. The reason why it is associated with the 8 spoke wheel of Dharma or Karma is because or the essence of the two words. Dharma meaning "Law" simply implies that the steps or process of the eight noble path is a natural law. Karma, which simply means "act ot to act or to do something" implies that one's actions produces consequences which affects you own life and the lives of others, which is a Step in the Eight Fold Path: Right or wrong Action.

What you think, what views you mentally behold; how you perceive things to be influences your emotions and intentions. Those intentions in turn influences what you say, or what you communicate with other (which influences them and yourself). What you think, how you feel, your intentions, influences and governs your actions in life. Those actions builds up into HOW you Live your life which affects not only you, but those around you. How you live your life affects and influences what you do in life... your Efforts, what you strive for. What you strive for in Life thru Effort causes your mind to be fixated or attached to that certain something. Such fixation and attachment produces Focus of Mind upon physical reality. The end result of the 8 steps becomes EXPERIENCE.

Therefore "correct" or Right thinking will manifest as correct or right Experience, and wrong thinking, will manifest as wrong experience. For example:

The Belief, View, Perception that your white skin color and Christian Civilization makes you superior and civilized above the uncivilized savage darkies of India and Africa, or the America and Australia gave birth to White European senitments, Intentions, Emotions. Those Emotions influenced their speech, their actions... eventually their white European minds focused its white superiority complex onto the world, ASSERTING that mental essence onto the physical world. This manifested into Experience. The Experience of White European kingdoms growing into Empires... at what expense?

At the expense and Experience of lands being stolen from Native Americans; Africans stolen from their lands and made slaves; dark skinned people in India and else where, those "ethnics" and women being dehumanized as subhuman with no right. This is Dhuga. This is Human Suffering. The physical materialization of a mere belief that you are better than others over time, slaughter and enslaved millions of human lives; raped and ravaged whole continents (Africa) and turned ethnics and women into people without liberty and freedom or even their dignity of being Human.

The Belief and desire for a political regime in Ethiopia to maintain power and give itself privileges, eventually materializes as mass famine of Ethiopians during the 80's. The Belief that you and your party has the right to rule became the Intent of a party to start a civil war in Sierra Leone; which materialized in the deaths of hundreds of thousands, and the hands of thousands of people, babies included being chopped off for voting for the opposition party. This is Human Suffering of the 21st century.

The silly Hindu and Jain tripe of "Ahimsa" and this stupid superficial white occidental misunderstanding of Buddhism that the Buddha taught to "live and let live" and to simply harm none is the means to destroy Human Suffering is ridiculous. To just sit there and let Africans be enslaved? To watch Native American lands being taken? To watch people live out their colinial lives under a king without any right, or liberty? To just the Ethiopian people starve? To just allow the people of Sierra Leone to live their lives in peace to hack babies hands off because their mothers voted for a party that would give them freedom? How does that destroy Human Suffering?

It is easy to misunderstand from a local one on one point of view that to not steal something from somebody, or to not punch somebody in the face means that you are not causing Human Suffering. But the Buddha focus on Human Suffering was not a local perspective. It was En Mass. Collective. Thus the word "Human" infront of the word Suffering." What works locally mano-y-mano does not work on a collective Human scale. You can say to yourself that passively sitting there and not doing anything to other people destroys Human Suffering.

How do you as an Ariya... as one who is Self Enlightened in this modern era, rid the Anariya of their Human Suffering? How did the colonialists in America 300 years ago rid your own Human Suffering today? You enjoy and take your freedom and rights today for granted, and you can afford to live out a very comfortable life TODAY because other people long ago cared about you enough to risk their life to destroy the CAUSE of that suffering. Would you today be free and happy, if those American rebels had adopted this shitty doctrine Ahimsa and said to themselves, "Oh it's just stamp taxes mates, let the King live and do as he pleases with us, so as not to cause any suffering upon his life."

You have a very limited and watered down understanding of Buddhism Six. If you do not understand something like Buddhism, you will not understand the ONA which is more esoteric than Buddhism. If Anton Long is some "enigmatic Nazi" to you, then you definitely lack the capacity to understand David Myatt or where "Anton Long" has been and is coming from. You should stick with your primitive LaVeyan Satanism, or whatever it is you believe into... your ego.

[Revanchist]

I have nothing against Six anymore, though my respect grows for you and ONA with nearly every post you make.

[NARCISSUS]

To understand anything like a particular culture's way of life you have to examine the whole time frame, in that in order to get the bigger picture. Like the hindu issue of varma, alot of western minds think it has to do with occupation; priests all the way down to laborers, but it goes much deeper than that. Pure and simple it has ties in racism, or the percieved superiority of the hubristic brahmins over the Dalits and Sudras- the "untouchables"

[Mister_Six]

We could delve into history lessons...or we COULD pay attention to our higher mental faculties. I'm not disagreeing with you at all Narcissus, but, we as a highly evolved animal should excel in what makes us completely unique in the animal kingdom. Too much time has been wasted worrying about who's got the bigger dick, who can mount the most females, and who has the biggest cave...OR we could worry about our future as an amazingly cultivated species.

I suppose you could waste all of your precious energy fighting against the xtians, fighting rival gangs, giving society the middle finger, etc...or we could pull our heads out of our asses for just one goddamned minute and reflect. It's not all about YOU. It's about a greater understanding....

[NARCISSUS]

Yea, that greater understanding is becoming more than what you are. Progressing and evolving all the way tothe very most top point of the cosmos. The galaxies are the limit.

[Mister_Six]

Missed u man!

[NARCISSUS]

same here

[Aye Maung]

"The ultimate Truth the Buddha uncovered was that Religion (Hinduism as he knew it) is the main cause of human suffering". No. Look at the second noble truth.

I am not reading the whole thing. I got a presidential outline to finish. Peace.

[Lucifurry:352]

God Damn Shugz! I thought you said "quick over view?"

I think Shugz intentionally overlooked Samudaya and the other exoteric Four Noble Truths, and went straight into esoteric doctrine (unwritten forest doctrine). She's WSA/ONA, so she would be more in tune to the more unwritten forest doctrine of Buddha then the outer noble truths. You can tell because her over view of the Eight Noble paths is entirely esoteric and not the ordinary exoteric explanations.

But as long as we are on Samudaya - the Noble Truth that Desire/Cravings - is THE cause of suffering on earth, is not the Desire/Craving to be free of suffering and to be liberated from reincarnation in itself DESIRE which leads the common Buddhist to be attached to the memeplex of Buddhism: to its traditions, its beliefs, and ways?

Does the Desire/Craving of a tyrant to have and maintain power over a people cause mass human suffering?

Does the Desire/Craving for a group of political thugs who keep all of Ethiopia's food and "wealth" (if it can be considered wealth) to themselves cause mass suffering?

Does the Desire/Craving of a Priesthood or governing body of a religion who wants to control and people, such as the one's running things during the Dark Ages, not cause suffering on a large scale?

If the answer is YES, such Desires do generate mass suffering, then what is the solution? How do you Enlighten a tyrant with superficial Buddhist doctrine like the leader of North Korea, or the Muslim Ayatola of Iran to be compassionate with their people and to give up their cravings for power and control, for the sake of the people enmass? Pray to the Buddha and hope for the best?

[Mister_Six]

My rudimentary understanding of Buddhism was correct then. If living your sinister way causes suffering then you are no longer a true practitioner of Buddhism. While you may understand Buddhism, you missed an extremely fundamental point. Tyrants, Dictators, and all types of people that were material driven have caused suffering on it's people and you would call this desire to cause suffering a "sinister" instinct, it is a desire to be a dick. If you haven't seen how corporate america sucks, fucks, and slanders its way to the top then I don't know what other examples to show you. We all have a right to co-exist as long as we demonstrate the ability to be kind and mindful of those around us, this concept, like many I have discussed on this forum, have been over-looked and missed many times over all in the name of "Sinister Role-Play". It sounds like Anton Long played one too many RPG's.

Do you wanna know what the meaning of life is? To live and let live, while not hurting anyone in the process. Anything beyond this ideal, you define for yourself. Being sinister is just reveling in the fact that you're a dick. It's an excuse to not consider other people's feelings.