GOT MORALITY?

[NARCISSUS]

This is an interesting topic for this forum, to see where you all stand on the issue of morality.
In my case, im more of an amoral man myself, meaning that when it comes to issues of right and wrong on the moral scale, im neither on the left nor the right, but rather i stand in the middle.
an example of amorality is taking a particular issue like say i dont know...murder and seeing it as neither right or wrong in itself, but it's open to interpretation by the indvidual actor and not any third party.
especially since the ethical behaviour society promotes isnt adhered to by that same society, for instance person a murders a whole town of people and on a personal level sees nothing wrong with it, because socities murder everyday on a grander scale,so who are they to judge him. person b wants to murder the whole town,but refrains because he sees that everyday on a grand scale society murders and he doesn't want to mirror that, because for him it's wrong in one way or another.
In amorality both persons are entitled to their particular actions with no third party acting as a judge, dictating mandates and talking about duties and obligations. the only duty and obligation they both have is to themselves. Outside of that main reason of society murdering everyday on a grander scale than any one individual can ever do there are various personal and unique reasons for refraining or acting within a particular scenerio. this brings up another purpose of this topic, which is to get your input on what i've just said concerning amorality. ENJOY.

[Davidicus Adonis]

"morality" is like beauty, all in the eye of the beholder. If someone "kills/murders" another, that person is a murderer, if said murderer kills 10, said person is a serial killer,,,or if all are killed at same time, spree killer,,if someone declares a war, millions die, said person is "Evil',,,unless said person wins, then they are a hero.
Also, I've found that hypocrisy and moralty, at times, go hand-in-hand.

"I hate that skank whore, fuck her, she's a slut,...huh?,,she asked about me?, Seriously,,dude, hook me up!"

Many times humans "claim" morality because they can't get what they desire.

"I hate rich people",,but inside crave being rich.

My late uncle, by marriage, told me something in the late 80's,...he said many people suspected that the xian bible was written, OT then NT, not because it was word of "god" but to keep the animals in line. With no fear of retribution for killing, stealing, etc., mankind would be purely self driven, no remorse, fuck it.

Same with "right" & "wrong". Some people say it's clear cut,,and I agree. Right is what you can get away with, wrong is what you can't.

;-)


HS!

[NARCISSUS]

"morality" is like beauty, all in the eye of the beholder. If someone "kills/murders" another, that person is a murderer, if said murderer kills 10, said person is a serial killer,,,or if all are killed at same time, spree killer,,if someone declares a war, millions die, said person is "Evil',,,unless said person wins, then they are a hero.
Also, I've found that hypocrisy and moralty, at times, go hand-in-hand" davidicus.

omg, this is exactly true..

[Mister_Six]

LOL! I'm a very VERY simple man Davidicus. I would not BS you even for a second. What I say is absolutely true on my behalf. I don't crave anything of which I hold contempt for. I crave to be a respectable man in the eyes of my friends and family, everyone else can suck on a fucking tail pipe.

[Mister_Six]

everyone already knows my standpoint on morality. I believe in absolutes. Murder in any case is wrong, but the unenlightened, un-evolved hairless apes that parade themselves around as being "humans" think they are entitled to other people's belongings, thus causing me to fracture your neck. I have no natural impulse to kill people so I view this as an excuse to cause harm to another. I do have the natural impulse to hurt people, only when wronged for no reason. What little I have is mine and I worked hard for it, to try to take it from me is grounds for retaliation. And I guess by technical definition self defense is not murder, if we're going by a play on words.

As for all of my other moral beliefs I believe that stealing, even to support oneself is wrong. I also believe that there are very simple ways of expressing all of my moral absolutes, and that is by action. I could say to you guys and gals online that I find promiscuous behaviour against my morals because I show through daily life, and daily example that they are wrong in my world. Short of the tank top example, I don't engage in double standards, and have since removed my loved tank top from suitable clothing outside the gym.

To clarify things a bit further, I am a living, breathing example of morals and decency as I believe the two are inseparable. I don't define these morals, my society has defined them for me. I live amongst human beings and in an effort to not intrude on others lives, I walk the walk so others can see what it is that their amoral, PC, society is slowly taking away from them. Even though the bible was a bunch of fairy tale BS, there are still awesome examples of ethical human conduct, which are lacking now. I am the only one of my kind left :(

Also, If you lead by example instead of believing whatever Sex In The City tells you, you become a true individual. I will not tolerate wishy washy bull shit from any of my friends, and I made my hill to die on.

If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything...

[NARCISSUS]

six, i agree with you,but at the same time i say society is in no place to dictate, to it's people about decency, seeing that they dont uphold those same standards of decency themselves. It goes back to what you said about one not being able to live by standards they dont have, actually, it goes back to my corrorlary of one cant dictate standards they dont live by. society, does just that dictate standards they themselves dont live by,for example, using davidicus' illustration, a person kills ten people they're called a serial killer, the person kills alot at the sametime,spree killer, but if one kills as a soldier in a war he's a patriotic hero. Now if im not mistaking they all sound like murder to me,the only diffrence being legislation, the soldier was ordered and trained to kill, while the serial/spreekiller wasn't ordered by society, so they have to demonise the latter.
How can society, say that what the spree/serial killer is doing goes against decency, when even what they are doing what with training the soldier to be a patriotic killing maching goes against those very same standards of decency that they have set. society may have set the standard of decency, but they are most assuredly, not in any position to dictate those standards if they dont live by same themselves.
there are absolutes even within amorality, amorality, is just looking at society for what it is and saying "Hey, who are you to dictate to me about what is decent, when you your self are indecent? As such i am entitled to uphold your standards of decency that you have set,even though you dont adhere to them your selves and because you dont adhere to these standards, you're not in any position to dictate to me about decency and how i should uphold to something you dont".
So amorality isnt wishy washy, i dont stand for that neither, it isn't about moral relativity, or as davidicus put it."Morality", "is in the eye of the beholder". it's not that at all, but what is is just another side, a third side of moral absolutes. what makes person a in my post entitled to murder the whole town is in my war illustration,but im not saying that even that makes that entitlement right, but rather what i am saying, society, has no right to say what he is doing is evil, nor do the people of society have any right to make that claim seeing that they live within an evil society themselves and reflect that society. speaking of the majority of hairless apes of course.
You're are a shining example of decency,but my question to you is, do you see that even though society set the standard of decency, they break those standards on a daily basis? This is just one shining example of amorality. I hope that made things a lil more clear for you, buddy.

[Mister_Six]

damn D! One helluva reply! I see what you're talking about but even if society set these morals into play, I get to be that lone wolf that actually follows through with what he sets out to do and preaches! While the rule makers/breakers are sanctioning BS wars and invading countries, I get to be that true example of moral absolutes. They can piss, moan, cry, and whine about how they're right and how Iraq is wrong, while little ole me is actually following through with what I say. Fuck them! I uphold moral decency for the sake of making examples out of people, mainly myself. I do this so my brothers and sisters have a model of decency, so my mom can find her own inner strength, so my dad can see a well developed man, and so any outsider can see a man that actually stands for something. If you can't hack it, which most people can't, then I don't expect people to really understand my position. I am the standard. Learn from it or not, that is something everyone else has to decide.

[NARCISSUS]

All i can think to say to that is, exactly!

[Leo-Gonzo Satanist]

I keep it simple. Evil is any form of harm you bring on another human being for reasons other than self preservation or the preservation of loved ones. Good is whatever floats your boat so long as it brings no undue harm to another.

[Davidicus Adonis]

I consider what MN did to be Evil,,because of their actions, al franken has been put in a position to determine what is best for my life and yours.
Hence, we live in society and one persons actions can directly effect others.

I know, that's a strange reply but it makes sense.


HS!

[Aye Maung]

I must admit that I've rarely faced moral dilemmas in my personal life. Publicly controversial ones like gay marriage and death penalty do interest me, but they do not shake me. I find it quite difficult to personally relate to these issues and feel that I lack the necessary experience of my own to have an opinion except that of a scientific viewpoint which is one of the least subjective viewpoints.

I do not have an overall morality guideline except to preserve myself and my interests while looking at a bigger picture. I understand that this may become a problem later in my life considering my ambitions and goals, but I do not wish to spend my younger days implicated with moral law.

Since I have only lived on this earth for 16 years, I am severely limited in my experience and my overall wisdom even though I know that I am capable of more than some of my peers. Now one of the moral dilemmas that you face in high school and in real life is when you find some form of wealth that do not belong to you, be that item a bracelet or money or an Ipod. During my time in school, there were two events where I found $20 bills and multiple accounts where I found $1 bills. I kept the $1 bills. The first time I found a $20 was at lunch in middle school, and that was way before I encountered Satanism and was still a Buddhist. Because of my religion, I gave the money to an administrator which made the girl who lost the bill very happy. I didn't really care much about it that time. In 10th grade, I found another $20 bill. This time, due to my skills of deduction, I easily found out who lost the money. I really wanted to keep that $20. "I could buy clothes with it, I could delay asking my mom for my lunch money, I could go to the movies, or I can just save it for myself." But I couldn't. Before I knew it, I gave the $20 to its rightful owner. Also, I kept all the secrets, I helped people, I was able to change people for the better.

Now I must admit that I am not an entirely good person. I ate subs at Quiznos when I worked there, without paying. I use Sparknotes among other things. I didn't stop someone from stealing. I don't stop friends from going down paths of self-destruction. I talk about people behind their backs. ETC

But I can live with what I've done and not have done. I rarely feel guilty and I can be inhumane. But it's me and I am happy with my moral code right now.

[NARCISSUS]

Taking care of your self and your interests, is part of being a moral person if you ask me.
The bit about eating subs when you worked at quiznos, brings to mind once a upon a time when i worked in a deli,i would make sandwiches with the things in the case most times, when i closed, i would even gather a few things from the case to take home with me and if i did actually, pay for the lunchmeat, in that i would mark the price way down and go to one of the self serve check outs.
Not stopping someone from stealing and even not stopping friends from going down paths of self destruction are examples of amorality, because if someone else is going to steal, it's really not up to you to stop them if you choose not to. The same goes with your self destructive friends their behaviour,actions and chooses are something that's not your concern, so if you help them to see the error of their ways, so to speak fine.
It's also fine if you dont say anything at all. The choice to do so or not is up to you, that's a minor issue, the important thing to remember is this. You are the standard of morality, it's not your job to change others, if you so not choose to. you cant change an undisireable quality in some one else, so it's futile to even try.
You dont stop friends from being self destructive, you dont stop someone from stealing, are you wrong for that, or are you right in some way? It's not my place to judge you in that either way, but rather the judgement is on yourself and how you see those instances. Although keep in mind the question, is this something that concerns me directly?
Is this something with in my power to change?

[lillithaurora]

I do agree with you NARCISSUS. It is not any ones place to try and change someone or the things they are doing. You can offer advice about situations if asked. If you offer advice on a matter weather or not it is asked of you that does not mean the person will fallow such. Everyone makes there own decisions in life. Just as everyone chooses weather or not they have morals and values. You choose the people you have in your life biased on quality's they may have. But with the good quality's comes the bad ones. You ether accept such or walk away. It is the same thing when you choose a mate. Help them all you like but you can not change them. Nor should you take such things upon your self.

HFS!!
~Rev.Lillith