"LaVeyan" Satanists Against Belief and Reverance of Satan?
This was an interesting statement made on a Satanic forum recently that got my attention. Because of it's nature, I present it here for your opinions and comments. I have edited this from the original to leave out irrelevant information.
The proposition was stated that Satanists practicing the "LaVeyan" variety of Satanism are, due to LaVey's condemnation of diabolatry, against actual belief in Satan and reverence for him.
My Reply: I can say from a personal perspective that I think you are right. I would however, like to clarify this. I am not a CoS member, however if someone had to put me in a category they'd call me "LaVeyan". I hold no spiritual beliefs whatsoever, and you can tell by what I have written that I don't take those who do too seriously.
The thing is this, I've experienced strange phenomena before on quite a few occasions, and have talked many times with others who have as well. Things that cannot be explained without making an excuse to console the mind facing the unknown.
In the ritual chamber, the gods, demons, spirits etc. are within us. That is my belief. I think they are not external manifestations but within us, and some are able to project them. If only, perhaps, in their own minds.
That being said, if a rational person who knows this wants to call them demons, spirits, etc. of "Satan" (his/her self), for adding to the ritual or simply for fun, that makes sense to me, as a "LaVeyan" Satanist, and there are a few others I know of that would agree with this I'm sure.
The truth is, in my opinion, that we don't know. You can see, hear, feel, smell, and perhaps taste all manor of strange phenomena, but how does one prove it's a manifestation of the Satan in Christian Mythology?
Without solid proof, empirical evidence, the answer would be backed by that universal enemy of rationality: Faith.
This is where I part from the "true believers" crowd. It ends up becoming a replica of sorts of all faith-based religions - something I inherently despise. And the worst is when we have these fanatics talking about Satan winning the "Apocalypse". :x
That is the line where I become disgusted. When science and reason are replaced with religion and faith.
The proposition was stated that Satanists practicing the "LaVeyan" variety of Satanism are, due to LaVey's condemnation of diabolatry, against actual belief in Satan and reverence for him.
My Reply: I can say from a personal perspective that I think you are right. I would however, like to clarify this. I am not a CoS member, however if someone had to put me in a category they'd call me "LaVeyan". I hold no spiritual beliefs whatsoever, and you can tell by what I have written that I don't take those who do too seriously.
The thing is this, I've experienced strange phenomena before on quite a few occasions, and have talked many times with others who have as well. Things that cannot be explained without making an excuse to console the mind facing the unknown.
In the ritual chamber, the gods, demons, spirits etc. are within us. That is my belief. I think they are not external manifestations but within us, and some are able to project them. If only, perhaps, in their own minds.
That being said, if a rational person who knows this wants to call them demons, spirits, etc. of "Satan" (his/her self), for adding to the ritual or simply for fun, that makes sense to me, as a "LaVeyan" Satanist, and there are a few others I know of that would agree with this I'm sure.
The truth is, in my opinion, that we don't know. You can see, hear, feel, smell, and perhaps taste all manor of strange phenomena, but how does one prove it's a manifestation of the Satan in Christian Mythology?
Without solid proof, empirical evidence, the answer would be backed by that universal enemy of rationality: Faith.
This is where I part from the "true believers" crowd. It ends up becoming a replica of sorts of all faith-based religions - something I inherently despise. And the worst is when we have these fanatics talking about Satan winning the "Apocalypse". :x
That is the line where I become disgusted. When science and reason are replaced with religion and faith.
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Permalink Reply by Aye Maung on -
I just use Satan/ Lucifer/ Loki as my personal demons as well as the other princes of Hell, because of their symbolic significance and correspondence to my personality. I also do it because it's fun and because I can label and organize my thoughts and desires. I explain the stange phenomena as something psycological that science can not explain yet due to its lack of advancement. I say Satan would win the apocalypse to piss hardcore Chrisitians off and because of its literary creativity. Not because I actually believe in the Chrisitian deity.
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